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Student protests continue to disrupt Forum

Three hundred students marched in protest; swastika debate interrupted by crowd

Published: Tuesday, January 19, 2010

Updated: Tuesday, January 19, 2010

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Ivar Vong

Students are directed into Agate Hall on Friday afternoon to protest the Pacifica Forum meeting. Several protesters were removed from the room during the meeting by law enforcement for being disruptive.

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It was supposed to be a silent protest, but for the second week in a row, outraged students made their voices heard loud and clear at Friday’s meeting of the controversial Pacifica Forum.

About 300 students from across the campus community — student unions, Greek Life, the ASUO, the Survival Center, the Women’s Center — showed up at the meeting to protest the Forum. In recent months, the Forum has been roundly denounced throughout Eugene for hosting what critics call bigoted, hateful and pro-Nazi speakers.

Students began assembling in the first floor of the EMU around 2:30 p.m. to coordinate a march and construct protest signs.

Many in the crowd said the Forum was a threat to student safety, especially after last week’s meeting, at which a Forum member made a sexually suggestive comment to a female student.

Student Beth Hall said the Forum personally threatened students and made them “feel unsafe on campus.”

Cameron Kennedy, a member of Eugene’s anti-fascist Black Tea Society, agreed and said the Pacifica Forum had crossed the line and no longer belonged on campus.

“I’d say that they’ve passed the boundary of acceptable free speech,” he said.

Protest organizers originally planned the protest to be silent, with students wearing masks or duct tape over their mouths.

Shortly before the 3 p.m. meeting, the crowd marched across campus to Agate Hall chanting, “Whose campus? Our campus!”

The Pacifica Forum usually meets in the EMU, but this week it was moved to Agate Hall to accommodate the group of protesters. Nevertheless, police turned many students away after the hall was filled to its 200-person capacity. Students were not allowed to use traditional picket signs or anything else that could potentially be used as a weapon.

The meeting was supposed to be a debate between Pacifica Forum members Billy Rojas and Jimmy Marr on the symbolism of the swastika, the ancient symbol that was co-opted by Nazi Germany and is now heavily associated with Nazism.

At the Dec. 11 meeting of the Pacifica Forum, Marr gave several Nazi salutes and showed a video on the national socialist movement in the United States. For his part, Rojas stringently denied any connection or sympathy with Nazism.

As soon as the presentation began last Friday, the silent protest quickly turned vocal, with students shouting, stamping their feet and booing.

Marr left the room 10 to 15 minutes later, along with an unidentified man who gave several Nazi salutes and shouted, “Sieg heil!” — or, in English, “Victory hail!”

EMU Director Dusty Miller attempted to quiet the crowd shortly thereafter, asking them to allow the presenter to express his views, but he was shouted down, as well. Miller threatened to end the meeting, but in the end, Rojas continued anyway.

Rojas said he was attempting to remove the stigma surrounding the swastika and return it to its original meaning — a religious and cultural symbol used by various groups for thousands of years before the rise of the Third Reich. The absent Marr was supposed to give a counter-argument, but he never returned.

Throughout his presentation, Rojas was continually interrupted by the raucous crowd, which demanded to know why the Forum gave a platform to Nazis. Rojas responded, saying the Pacifica Forum was dedicated to “promoting and defending free speech.” He questioned the crowd’s own commitment to free expression.

“The behavior of the protesters in this room is very similar to the Nazis in the 1930s,” Rojas said, to which one protester shouted, “Bullshit!”

Although Rojas mainly talked about the swastika, toward the end of the meeting a student asked him about his views on homosexuality, to which he responded that homosexuality was a pathological disease and “clinical heterophobia.”

Deafening boos followed, and several students walked to the front of the hall and unfurled large anti-Pacifica Forum banners. They were escorted out of the building by police.

The meeting was adjourned immediately thereafter, and Rojas thanked the protesters for “being a great crowd and giving us so much controversy.”

The protesters’ main concern was with the fact that the Pacifica Forum was allowed to hold meetings on campus, especially in the EMU. ASUO Vice President Getachew Kassa said it was completely unacceptable for the group to meet in the student union.

“As students, we all pay the incidental fee, which funds 40 percent of the EMU, and we will not tolerate this kind of activity,” Kassa said. “For this to occur in a facility we pay for, that can’t happen.”

Vice President of Institutional Equity and Diversity Charles Martinez said the students were right to protest.

“I think students are exercising their free speech en masse and countering hate-mongering,” he said. “That’s what we want from our students.”

The administration is set to meet with concerned community members and Eugene’s Anti-Hate Task Force in the coming weeks to discuss the Pacifica Forum and review the policy that allows the Forum to meet on campus. The group’s founder, Orval Etter, is a retired professor, which gives him free access to University space, according to the policy.

Martinez said the administration would be looking at that policy specifically.
“None of it is designed to temper free speech in any way,” he said.

cciaramella@dailyemerald.com

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16 comments

dawn coslow
Wed Feb 3 2010 09:28
The choice of time and place was made solely to accommodate the students.

After their January 8th "Invasion of the Incited" debacle, we WANTED to give them the opportunity to get to know what the Forum is like, and the chance to (perhaps) better express themselves, during the Q&A.

But we did not alter our scheduled programming. The agreement to "debate" the symbolism of the swastika originated at the Dec. 11th. Illegal Immigration Rally/presentation --"An Insiders View of the Radical Right".

Unfortunately most of the students who came to Agate Hall were too fired up, by Michael Williams and Devon Schlotterbeck's libelous FaceBook fallacies, to even consider listening respectfully or participating in a meaningful way.

Thank you to those students who kindly apologized for their peer's lackings.

I-was-there
Wed Jan 27 2010 15:21
Billy's choice of time and place were poor. He tried to defend the Swastika in front of students protesting a group sponsors speakers who support the ideas those WWII soldiers fought against. Students were also protesting his expressed views on women and gays and Muslims. In that context, rehabilitation of the Swastika is irrelevant. That may make a nice hobby for him, but he needs to find somewhere else to pursue it. Pacifica Forum is a bad hobby.
From the midwest
Mon Jan 25 2010 00:52
I have known Billy Rojas for a couple of years, exchanging information on the history of the swastika symbol. The issue of gays and lesbians has never come up, and sounds like he was being vetted for politically correct purity. So what if those are his views, his main purpose has been to get people to understand the meaning of a symbol that continues to be in use by many immigrants in the U.S.. My god, the soldiers who fought WWII understood this much better than the ignorant college students and faculty who want to stamp out 'hate' but are eager to explode into mob hatred to win over anyone who disagrees. The symbol Rojas has chosen to research was used in architectural details in many historic buildings in the U.S. prior to WWII and its use as a benevelent symbol didn't magically change in 1921 when an obscure German extremist who couldn't win local elections chose it for his political organization. Oh and you dummies who think Hitler invented the symbol with right facing arms... look at historical use, apparently Hitler was dictating how people should interpret the symbol while he was still in diapers.
doreet
Thu Jan 21 2010 12:17
There was a very old Chinese robe,in the museum,on display,many years ago;mingled with all the embroidery,being carried by flying bats,were large Swastikas.Yes,it was a very old,authentic Chinese robe,and it had embroidered Swastikas on it.So,yes,it goes all the way back to ancient China.It was not a Nazi relic.I suggest you look it up,the symbol,in Chinese history.
doreet
Thu Jan 21 2010 12:13
Yes,the protestors seem to be doing the role of Nazis very well;facist and dictatorial,and completely censoring any speech.Well,it seems that all of you guys are Nazis on campus and who were protesting!!WOW!Whoever would have guessed,that the Pacifica Forum Nazis spread so successfully,and got everyone on their side so well?And that the protestors were even worse??Sheeesh. Ok,protestors,you've proved who and what you really are;facist dictators,who censor free speech on campus.I'm ashamed to be a U.of O. Alum,and say that I actually graduated from there.Here I thought,during the 60's,that we only had socialist,Maoist,communist,and SDS students,and groups,and now I find that all along,we have facist groups that disguise themselves as Liberals and Democrats,and other groups,supposidily benign and freedom loving. Back to Russia,huh,guys?Cause you certainly are doing it up Russian and communist,and Nazi Facist,with your hate of frree speech. Congrats on being the Fascists of the Year!!Put that in your year book,under your names.
Sharon L
Wed Jan 20 2010 17:39
Outraged: the notorious 'too ugly to rape' comment was a quote from a feminist! You say "don't compare the U.S. Navy salute to the Hitler salute. Get off my campus and take your racism, hatred, and bigotry somewhere else!". Firstly, I wrote 'Air Force' , not 'Navy'. Secondly, it's not your campus. Thirdly, it is you who are full of racism, hatred and bigotry - you think murdering Japanese civilians is not as bad a crime as killing Jews. Why else would you object to comparing the SS with the USAF?
the old lady
Tue Jan 19 2010 22:57
The old lady with the GAZA CRIES OUT sign ... www.freeGaza.org ... at Agate Hall on Jan. 15th shouted "Love is the Answer" & "I love the Dalai Lama", learning the swastika is the Official Emblem of Dalai Lama;

So, when Billy Rojas attempted to make the case "for Hindus & Jains of India, Nepal, and elsewhere ... Buddhists and Confucians and Taoists of China, Korea, Japan, Viet Nam, Taiwan, etc Christians of Ethiopia, Greece, Norway, Basque country, Finland and the Baltic states;"

"the case was made that swastika is a spiritual symbol for about 3 billion people who NEVER used the emblem the way that nazis did. ALL today regard the swastika as sacred and as expressing the highest possible values and NONE have ever used the symbol in any other way".

Rojas said, "that's about half the population of the world" ...

The old lady would never have learned this fact if it hadn't been for a Pacifica Forum debate and Billy Rojas.

Thank God we live in the Land of the Free; where Free Speech is cherished by 100s of millions of Americans and me.

Because I am the old lady who carries a sign; who hears GAZA CRY and, "I LOVE" the Dalai Lama.

dc
Tue Jan 19 2010 21:25
"your name":
Yes, some National Socialist Movement members came to ONE Pacifica Forum, to listen to Jimmy Marr present on their "Illegal Immigration rally", which he'd attended.
They were invited.

IF you had been present, I don't think you'd be knee-jerking like you are.
And you would better understand the context behind those original salutes..

The speaker took care to first clarify that he'd witnessed the activist-organized protesters (La Raza, among others,) using that gesture, repeatedly, "without anyone seeming to mind". As he held his arm up, describing what he'd observed, he said (you know,) "This salute, ...that's FORBIDDEN, to white people"...

Adult and student protesters alike, have proven Marr's statement to have been absolutely correct.

It is disappointing to witness the lack of proportionality, or rational response exhibited by the protesters toward what they think they know, about the Pacifia Forum, to say the least.

However, what is even more disappointing, is the ease with which the social control freaks have been able to incite them.

dc
Tue Jan 19 2010 21:17
"Outraged". You have your facts wrong. Who is your source?
Outraged
Tue Jan 19 2010 19:48
This group has NO PLACE on my campus. After what that man said to that protester ("too ugly to rape"), it's time these bigots are booted off this campus. This isn't free speech, it's hate speech. Don't compare the U.S. Navy salute to the Hitler salute. Get off my campus and take your racism, hatred, and bigotry somewhere else!
will
Tue Jan 19 2010 17:17
As always - freedom of speech is only available to those who hold the same views as you do.
Sharon L
Tue Jan 19 2010 16:36
If someone gave the salute of the US Air Force, which bombed Tokyo and Hanoi, would that be 'offensive' to Japanese and Vietnamese people? No, they 'get over it'. THEY don't try to use white guilt to attack freedom.
Your name
Tue Jan 19 2010 16:02
I am assuming you were in attendance at the various meetings in which Jimmy Marr has led NSM members in the audience in Sig Heiling? I imagine you are familiar with the history and symbolism of this gesture. Do you feel that it is a harmless gesture? Either you are in some kind of serious denial, or a believer in this same bigoted, hateful cause.
anonymous
Tue Jan 19 2010 15:59
"I’ve known the Pacifica Forum regulars for about two years, and have never heard a word of hate or violence."

Someone's either not been paying attention, has a rather twisted conception of "hate or violence," or is simply a liar. Anelauskas himself said that Jews should be treated with "hostility." Rojas thinks gays and lesbians have clinical phobias of straight people. Marr fires off Hitler salutes and sieg heils as a matter of course with a clear and undeniable intent to offend others.

dawn
Tue Jan 19 2010 13:24
PF repeatedly requested we be moved back to McKenzie Hall, early in 2008, once the "Israel @ 60 Committee" had finished with the space.

Our requests were denied (finally, formally), by Dusty Miller, who stated that he wanted to keep us in the EMU "for our own protection". I think he understood the HateForce would be ratcheting up their below the belt tactics.

William's/Sheklow's protest against the Forum (summer 08), sealed the deal, and we gave up trying to getting our old space back.

In 09 Doters-Katz' (in tandem with the Lobby/AHTF) offered PF-ers renewed hope that we could move back to McKenzie, but apparently, he became disinterested.

The Targeting of Pacifica Forum began before most of the current student protesters were even on campus. The current student body is being severely misinformed and are proceeding by the design of the very forces they presume to at 'battle' against.

"Think", "Research", "fact-check"! This mob-mentality is shameful, and you will carry the scar of having participated in it, all your lives! The Truth of the issue, will remain revealable--in perpetuity.

The people of the Pacifica Forum are NOT who you've been incited to believe we are!

Jay Knott
Tue Jan 19 2010 10:46
I’ve known the Pacifica Forum regulars for about two years, and have never heard a word of hate or violence. The only hate and violence has come from their opponents, in the form of threats and harassment from Zionists, leftists and anarchists.






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